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May 06, 2008


You're not an exception. I'm a fellow alum, who has sometimes ambivalent feelings towards the state, but it's like a sibling's love. I can complain, but others can't. :)

I will not, however, complain about IU, nor will I deal with anyone's bad words against that fine institution. So let Grizzled know. :)

You tell 'em, Claire!! And how kind of you to not comment on the fact that I was typing so fast I put, "I'm a product if Indiana"... Oops! Me write good! :)

My moms's from Indiana, what can I say? Could be worse. A lot worse. Ohio?? BLECH!

Oh hi, BG!

You know, Jennifer, I read your comment at Mannion's before I even knew it was *your* comment and it made me want to write a post of my own. You inspired me! And this is what the post would basically have said...

I grew up *all over the place*, but from the time that I think it counts -- I started in a working class suburb of Cleve for four years and then we moved to a ritzy, preppy suburb of Cleveland. I observed immediately how each felt they *had it over* the other. I immediately realized how each group was fooling each other. Each group seemed to totally exist in their own minds and how they could play mind games to out-do the other to prove they were best!

Fast forward to when The Skimmer and I got married...

We decided to buy a house in a *really* cool, diverse inner-ring suburb of Cleve. Very liberal, very diverse, as I said. Living there came with a ton of baggage, but we loved it. We felt like it was home. We decided to move for reasons that are too boring to write about here and it ended up we chose (yet) another suburb of Cleve that is more conservative.

The liberal neighbors that we were leaving? Wouldn't speak to us because we were going to move where we had decided to move.

The new neighbors we first encountered here? Couldn't believe we would have *ever* have lived where we had chosen to live for 10 years prior.

Again? Mind games. People not living for themselves, but trying to pretend to *outlive* each other.

Another story...

Cleveland is pretty much perceived as the armpit of the nation, right?

The Skimmer and I would visit New York City (you know how I love that place) before Sept. 11. We would hear joke after joke about Cleve there. It was *bad.* And petty and low. I always took it with a grain of salt thinking and knowing that they were all from somewhere else, too.

We went to NYC two weeks after Sept. 11. It was a ghost town. I swear to God, we were three of 11 people in that whole city.

Did the people care we were from the armit of the country? No. They were *real* -- they were forced to get real. And all they did was thank us for coming. Over and over and over again.

When we went back eight months later? Not so much. They were back to their New York jerky selves and I was more than glad of that.

I guess this long winded comment (which should be a post) is to say -- adults that still categorize and judge based on geography are missing out on so much and are limited in their thinking. We all stereotype and lump people and places and the people in those places in groups and "Oh, aren't we cool? And how uncool are they?" But, that's their problem.

I've met jerks from Indiana and have very cool, good friends who live there. There are boring people (and goats!) in Ohio and there are cool people who live here too.

I've met jerk upon jerk from New York City and I've met some of the best people there too.

So, bottom line, that way of thinking doesn't matter. Or shouldn't anyway, when you get right down to it. It's wonderful you had such a great experience in Indiana. I bet a ton of other people did too.

Sorry to go on and on. But, this is a subject that really gets to me.

BG, it's true, la Cleve gets made fun of A LOT.

I like your comment. Too much provincial, us v. them way of thinking going on.

I get a big old chip on my shoulder about the coasts (mostly east though) and the ivy league, mostly because those places tend to think the places I come from are marginal at best, but unworthy of their thought. Always makes me mad. But I know plenty of people from here that don't want to travel or live anywhere else, too. My mother always says you can find provincial thinking in a big city, as much as you can find it in a small town. What I find important, is to be curious about the world and its inhabitants. That's just not so easy to teach.

What a nice post. Most of us, if we're lucky, have a place we feel about the way you do about Indiana. I don't understand why some people who pride themselves on being open-minded sneer at the Midwest.

I am completely afraid of the midwest, but mostly because it is flat and oceanless. I have never lived more than 40min from salt water.

And the river in Cleveland catches fire...

Thank you, Midwesterners, for your fabulous comments! :)

fish... it's not as flat as you would think and although it has no oceans, which I'll admit, are hard to beat, it's got some other pretty awesome features including a Great Lake or two... It shouldn't be compared, but appreciated for what it is.

LOL @ "la Cleve", Claire!

And the river in Cleveland catches fire...

True! How lucky are we! lol.

I sort of felt bad about my earlier, rambling comment. But, what the heck! Here's one more.

About 15 years ago, The Skimmer and I went to Georgetown for a long weekend. When we were leaving on Sunday, we got on the elevator in the hotel with all our luggage.

"Mr. L.A." in his jeans and white t-shirt, dark blazer and shades was standing in the elevator, alone and said:

"Are you guys checking in? Or leaving to go home?"

I said, "We're leaving to go home. *Sniffle*"

He said, "Where are you from?"

Me, "la Cleve!"

Mr. L.A., "Oh."

Me, "Have you ever been there?"

Him, "No. But, I've flown over it."

Now, you *know* he thought he really pulled one over me, the dumb midwesterner, who wouldn't have any idea the joke he was making! Pshaw! I don't get a lot, but I know sneering jokes!

I should have beat him up. Hi-ya!

For all my ridicule of being a native Hoosier, I got excited to see my hometown of Hammond not only being featured on CNN's electoral map, but being talked about as a key part in last night's primary (along with Gary).

I had no idea we had so many Hoosier affiliates around here!

Oh, BG, I hate the flyover jokes. They make me want to use strong, violent language.

You know what's funny? I used to work with a couple of Aussies, and we used to tease each other about our accents. I was told that I had the strongest American accent one had ever heard. I was all, um, you don't understand, I'm from Columbus, OH, I don't *have* an accent. HA! Apparently I do. I'm the accent everyone has on tv.

This is a really nice post.

Good thinking, Jen. As you know, I come from a big Eastern city, Philly,but the neighborhood I grew up in (Olney) was provincial. It was like a separate province in Philadelphia. In fact we were so provincial in Philly that if you were Catholic you were provincial about what damned parish you were from. What a joke.

But it's always struck me how many of America's great writers and artists come from what seem to me like the Outlands: Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Tennessee Williams, Faulkner...

love the post and comments. Love "People not living for themselves, but trying to pretend to *outlive* each other."

I am always ranting about anti-Oakland attitudes. of course, those almost always come with a dollop (or more) of racism attached too.

I remember one thing about Indiana. Aren't there dunes there? Such fabulous dunes that a little kid might feel as if she'd jumped off the planet for a while to slide up and down, screaming with her friends, just her, her friends, the sand and sky?
Or has something terrible happened to them? Are they a mall and multiplex now? Have they eroded into a little ant hill of sand?

(came this way from Shakesville)
Kathleen, the Dunes are still there, and they are a National Lakeshore, so they are protected. My in-laws live there, and we are there all the time- it is one of my favourite places in the U.S.
The midwest is anything but a monolith. I went to university in Indiana (a very small, very liberal, liberal arts school) and have lived all over (east and west coast of the U.S., Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, London, and Belfast). I love Indiana. The fact that the press treats Indiana like there is no difference between Gary, The Dunes, Indy, the Southern mountains and all the towns in between drives me completely insane.

The fact that the press treats Indiana like there is no difference between Gary, The Dunes, Indy, the Southern mountains and all the towns in between drives me completely insane.

You're not alone. :)

Hey! I live in the Midwest and I sneer at the Midwest!!


I think everybody basically likes the place they live. and if you're picking a house, or a place to live, based on somebody else's preferences, you should maybe revisit your decision making process.

I don't want to freeze, I don't want mosquito bites, I don't want it to be too flat.

I grew up in Utah, and there are some gigantic problems with that place, all totally out of ones control, but there are so many cool things about it. I like lots of parts of the country. Ben's Chili Bowl. I-beefs. It's all good. Dairy Queen. Good stuff.

Pinko Punko is a Freezist, a Mosquito Bitist and also a Flatist.


Or Flatulentist?


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